tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post8663080058204092880..comments2023-07-05T09:05:15.394-04:00Comments on the lower case: "a god who cannot know the future cannot control the future"stephen lee cavnesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12760138041488885844noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post-17248699133661325712007-09-28T08:51:00.000-04:002007-09-28T08:51:00.000-04:00jjones,thanks for dropping by. i think you missed ...jjones,<BR/>thanks for dropping by.<BR/> i think you missed the point that dr. nash was making.<BR/> he was not saying that the beliefs of jehovah's witness' dont deny the trinity or diety of christ.<BR/> he was commenting on how there are some who will seek to say "oh, that we disagree on this doesnt mean we dont basically believe teh same way" in order to gain a wider hearing.<BR/><BR/>i have encountered mormons and jehovah's witness' who *initially* will want to gloss over differences in order to be trusted more to gain a better hearing.<BR/> that is teh point dr. nash was making.<BR/><BR/>-stephenstephen lee cavnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12760138041488885844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post-65539220615436742872007-09-28T08:40:00.000-04:002007-09-28T08:40:00.000-04:00Anyone who even hints that Jehovah's Witnesses do ...Anyone who even hints that Jehovah's Witnesses do not wish to argue over the issue of the Deity of Jesus Christ has just indicated that they know NOTHING about the JWs.<BR/><BR/>JWs preach that the Trinity Doctrine comes straight from Satan The Devil, and that believers in such will be destroyed by GOD.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>SUMMARIES OF NEARLY 600 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES LAWSUITS & COURT CASES<BR/> <BR/> <BR/>The following website summarizes 310 U.S. court cases and lawsuits affecting children of Jehovah's Witness Parents, including 100+ cases where the JW Parents refused to consent to life-saving blood transfusions for their dying children:<BR/> <BR/>DIVORCE, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES<BR/> <BR/>http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com<BR/> <BR/><BR/>The following website summarizes over 275 lawsuits filed by Jehovah's Witnesses against their Employers, and/or incidents involving problem JW Employees:<BR/> <BR/>EMPLOYMENT ISSUES UNIQUE TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESS EMPLOYEES<BR/> <BR/>http://jwemployees.bravehost.comJJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04519473770669042975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post-87336134423900585352007-09-25T10:27:00.000-04:002007-09-25T10:27:00.000-04:00dear andrew,what ron said.-stephen (thanks ron..th...dear andrew,<BR/>what ron said.<BR/><BR/>-stephen (thanks ron..that was well said)stephen lee cavnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12760138041488885844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post-22260484717777749042007-09-25T08:56:00.000-04:002007-09-25T08:56:00.000-04:00Andrew, The most important difference is that Armi...Andrew, <BR/><BR/>The most important difference is that Arminians affirm the complete, perfect and exhaustive knowledge of God, Past, Present and Future. <BR/><BR/>It may be too simplistic to say that they just don't affirm God's sovereignty because I've read open theists who argue that we have just misunderstand God's sovereignty. They say that eventually, somehow, He'll accomplish what He wants while never ever violating the autonomy of every single person. They would argue that that is the way that He's sovereign. (of course, as Mr. Nash points out, he argues that if you don't know the future, how can you control the future...there are many glaring philosophical inconsistancies, much less scriptural ones, that are created when one tries to solve the problem of evil this way)<BR/><BR/>Also, since Open theism is primarily a theology designed to answer the appearent contradiction between God's essential goodness and his allowing or willing of evil and suffering(a.k.a. theodicy), it is much less systematic than than Arminianism. Arminiasm is (like calvinism) a formulation of many doctrines, but Open theism basically explains one doctrine and is silent on many other issues. That is why there can be Baptist Open theists and Methodist Open theists who affirm the same understanding of God's foreknowledge, but may differ on their understanding of the rest of salvation or atonement or sanctification. <BR/><BR/>Also, true arminians, in the methodist and pentecostal mode, believe that because of human libertarian free will, we can lose our salvation anytime we choose to deny the truth of the gospel or various types of blatant disobedience. Open theism doesn't necessarily address this question. There are writing baptist open theists who believe in the perseverence of the believer. While some may consider this logically inconsistant, they believe that God is lovingly working for the salvation of every sinner, to bring about (only in the present) man's salvation. The Sanctification of the believer is seen in the same way, an active present work of the spirit to perfect the christian to the likeness of Christ. <BR/><BR/>Maybe that will help?RonKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17297654202504994941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14199749.post-56610376780408462912007-09-24T20:36:00.000-04:002007-09-24T20:36:00.000-04:00How is open theism different from Armenianism? To...How is open theism different from Armenianism? To me, the free willer thought is akin to open theism. Is there much of a difference?AndrewRockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833525191529835708noreply@blogger.com